COTN: No food being counted, please HELP! [Archive]

Hobbit-Tut

04-18-2006, 06:38 PM

Hi there, I played the demos, I bought the game, it runs, it runs rather well for me actually. I like the game, would like to play it more, BUT:

No matter how many farms I have,
no matter how many nobles I have,
no matter how many bakeries I have,
no matter how many graneries I have,
no matter how many scribes are out counting fields for taxes,

NO FOOD PRODUCED ON MY FARMS EVER GETS COUNTED IN MY FOOD STATS! :mad:

Never ever.

I have the 99 food that you start the grand campaign with and that's it, once it's gone I'm done, cause I can't create anymore food.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE HELP! I spent what little discretionary money I had on this game, and now I can't play it for more than about 20 minutes. sigh.

King Faticus

04-18-2006, 07:15 PM

Hobbit-Tut

04-18-2006, 07:59 PM

Did you cheak your edicts, there is one that makes nobles not pay any taxes this might be the problem. If it isn't then i'm sure MarkDuffy or Keith will be around shortly;)

Edit: sometimes scenario editor cities have this problem, but, you said it was in the campaign so Im outta Ideas
http://www.artbyarno.com/fineart/tigerth.jpg

Hi there, thanks for the idea, but I can't do the edict as I have no food. :)

I did find the sandbox area though and the food is counted in those games just fine, I just really wanted to play the campaign! :) I like a challenge.

Yup, its not an edited city, haven't gotten to that yet. This is just my type of game, and I'm really frustrated at not being able to play as long as I'd like to. Lots of things to learn with a minimal of food though.

Thanks again!

King Faticus

04-18-2006, 10:25 PM

Hobbit-Tut

04-18-2006, 11:55 PM

You should post some screenshot of your cities stats, though I can't do anything more to help other people can, and they might need to see the screenshots.
http://www.artbyarno.com/fineart/tigerth.jpg

Hi there, well I haven't saved any of the games where I have no food, didn't figure it was worth it. :( But I could replay one and save it, but I don't know how to do screenshots either.

Keith

04-19-2006, 01:17 AM

Post a copy of your save file in this thread using the attachments button on the reply screen.

There must be something you are overlooking if you have what you say you have.

King Faticus

04-19-2006, 07:44 AM

I think either f7 f8 or f9 is the snapshot hotkey you will know which one it is when you click it (it will lag) push that one a few times and then look in your cotn folder for the files.

I think this used to happen to me... Im not sure but I think that whenever I built my noble estates before I built my palace they never payed taxes.... It hasn't happened since I patched the game though. Did you patch the game?

http://www.artbyarno.com/fineart/tigerth.jpg

MarkDuffy

04-19-2006, 08:00 AM

Welcome to our family, Hobbit-Tut! :)

So sorry you are having the problem you describe, but I am not a technical person.

You say that you can have food in the sandbox scenarios & tutorials, but not the Campaign missions.

This should not happen & it doesn't appear to be your fault.

You do have bakeries (5), correct? Lots of Nobles (8), correct? Lots of famers (50), correct? You posted you do. Lots of them, correct? Do your farmers create Threshing Areas with food during Shemu (Harvest)? Do your farmers get food & show food in their display?

Which scenarios have you tried? City name is in the lower right corner of the city map.

I would like to see your game save as Keith mentioned or a snapshot of your Resource Report.

If what you are telling us is true, the only thing I can suggest is to reinstall the game.

:)

Hobbit-Tut

04-19-2006, 06:33 PM

Hi King Fatimus, Keith and MarkDuffy:

I am not sure right now, but I'll be checking it out for sure.... My hubby did a defrag on my computer last night, after I went to sleep, and when I played COTN this morning, for about five minutes total before going to work, it seems I have food, and it's working. Although right now I'm not sure.

I really appreciate all your ideas, and I'll be letting you know for sure, once I get a chance to play some more later on tonight.

This could be a case of "It'll stop once I stop hitting my head against the brick wall". :eek:

King Faticus

04-19-2006, 06:45 PM

I completly forgot:mad:
and md beat me:(

welcome to our family:D , don't be afraid to post here we are all friendly (although at times a bit ummm errr LOUD:eek: ) but we are still a close knitten family:D

Hobbit-Tut

04-19-2006, 09:39 PM

:p Well, that's it, I'm finished banging my head against the brick wall. I took a break from work, and loaded up the game, and played the first (easy) level of the Grand Campaign. At the end of the campaign, right before it told me I had achieved "Success" I have over 12,000 food, and lots in threshing areas. I have 15 grainaries and 20 bakeries, and more food that I could possibly figure out what to do with!!

Now I just have to figure out how to play the rest of the game!! I've been looking at the food problem for so long I don't know about much else yet!!

Thanks everyone, I really appreciate your attention to this problem.

When I come upon the next problem, I'll be sure to let you know :o .

So now my advice to anyone having problems, is DO A DEFRAG! :)

Thanks again,

MAX-1

04-19-2006, 10:17 PM

Hi Hobbit-Tut,

Here are some threads to look at.

http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6308&highlight=food
http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6629&highlight=food
http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6668&highlight=food
http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6778&highlight=food
http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5010&highlight=food
http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5113&highlight=food
http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5664&highlight=food

Hobbit-Tut

04-20-2006, 12:10 PM

Thanks Max-1, those are very good links, and extremely useful for me!! Learned alot!

MarkDuffy

04-20-2006, 12:15 PM

I took a break from work, and loaded up the game, and played the first (easy) level of the Grand Campaign. At the end of the campaign, right before it told me I had achieved "Success" I have over 12,000 food, and lots in threshing areas. I have 15 grainaries and 20 bakeries, and more food that I could possibly figure out what to do with!!

Yeah!

:) :) :)

I hope you have patched the game, Hobbit-Tut!

Hobbit-Tut

04-23-2006, 11:04 PM

I patched it just today. :)

MarkDuffy

04-23-2006, 11:27 PM

I patched it just today. :)

Excellent! :)

You are on your way, now !!! :D

Hobbit-Tut

04-24-2006, 12:26 PM

Excellent! :)

You are on your way, now !!! :D

Oh how I wish I were!! :) I patched it yesterday, and went to play last night, and it's back to no food, so I defraged, and it's still no food. I guess my next step is to uninstall, reinstall, patch, defrag, and see if that works. :) I'll get it fixed yet, cause I really want to play this game!! :)

MarkDuffy

04-24-2006, 12:35 PM

Exorcist? :o

Hobbit-Tut

04-24-2006, 01:25 PM

:( Could be. I'm starting to think so!! I just uninstalled and reinstalled, now I'm off to do the patch and then defrag, and we'll see what happens then. :) I'm not giving up yet.

Manni

04-24-2006, 06:02 PM

The best order of succession would be:

uninstall
reboot
use a cleaner
defrag
install
patch

Hobbit-Tut

04-24-2006, 11:27 PM

The best order of succession would be:

uninstall
reboot
use a cleaner
defrag
install
patch

Well, here's my latest update. I took your advice Manni, and did the above sequence for trying the latest incarnation of the game.

It didn't work. I still don't have food. :confused: I have no idea what to try next. I even have it on a separate drive in my computer that has NOTHING else on it, so defrag shouldn't even be necessary. sigh.

Anybody have any other ideas? I'm really really close to giving up now.

Keith

04-25-2006, 12:28 AM

Hobbit-Tut

04-25-2006, 01:08 AM

As I said earlier, post a copy of your save game using the attachments function on the board. Attach it to the next reply in this thread.

If we can't see what's going on in your city, we'er only guessing.

You're right, you did! :)

Here you go, I hope it helps. This is just a test game, not the way I normally set up my cities.

Manni

04-25-2006, 03:46 AM

I took your advice and did the above sequence for trying the latest incarnation of the game.
The advice was in general!
The partition concerned should be defragged BEFORE one installs a game to close the "gaps" on the drive which occur from deleting a.s.o.
To make sure that the game is "together in one bit" on the drive, which saves the CPU from "searching" the various folders.

Another thing: while defragging NO OTHER work should be done on the machine because it interrupts the job and defragging starts over and over again.

Anybody have any other ideas? I'm really really close to giving up now.

Do give us your dxdiag-file please!

Regards

MarkDuffy

04-25-2006, 05:02 AM

I just looked at your save, Hobbit-Tut.

I am posting an image of your entire early city. You have placed & are building a lot of different buildings. None of them are bakeries.

The city food icon only shows food in bakeries & granaries & the original Palace Storage Area you began with. Your 31 food is in the Palace Storage area.

Everyone has food.

Without a bakery, your people will take food from the Threshing Area your farmers harvest to & magically make their own bread. However, this is not the best way to play the game. Bakeries are supposed to bake your bread. Bread is the currency that your people spend to buy goods. Your people will also get other food such as vegetables from your bakeries. Your World Map food requirements will also come from your bakeries. Granaries are used later in the game when you have lots of extra food to store.

At exactly 7:20 PM Shemu (Harvest) Season your harvested food is magically automatically transferred from the threshing Area to your bakeries first, then to granaries. If you have no storage room, it just lays there in the Threshing Area & can even spoil there.

Always place one bricklayer & one bakery when you place your Palace. That is what the bricks in the Palace Storage Yard are for. :)

Build bakeries & your problems should be solved. Build lots of bakeries for COTN. One for every Noble is a nice number. Your Palace & Nobles won't use them & neither will your Farmers. They bake their own bread & also automatically take a share of the harvest from the Threshing Area (more magic). However, everyone else needs to get their food/bread from bakeries. One for each Noble just kinda reminds you to keep building more bakeries as your city enlarges.

Press F1 while in-game & it will bring up the Help Menu. First item is INDEX. Click it & you will see every keyword in the game! It is an excellent source of information The Help Menu also has a category for food problems.

Here (http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/showpost.php?p=59695&postcount=5) is my build order. Wait until each separate line is done before going to the next line. Click on the link at the upper right to see the whole thread & more build orders from other players. :)

Keith

04-25-2006, 06:13 AM

Also, You only have 6 farms, but you are currently allowed 18, due to your having three nobles.

Renisenb

04-25-2006, 09:48 AM

bakeries are very important, especially once your city starts to grow and you're building an army (they eat a LOT). If you don't have a bakery, you should def place some asap :)
I personally like the slow approach, i'd place one bakery and wait till it gets occupied before placing another one. I find that when i build too many things at once, it takes longer for buildings to get finished/occupied.

Hobbit-Tut

04-25-2006, 02:00 PM

Hi there everyone, you have all been so helpful!! I really do appreciate it.

Okay, here's what I did this morning after reading all of your advice.

Manni - yes I knew it was a general advice listing, but it was very good, and it seems to have worked at the moment. :)

I uninstalled, defrag, cleaned, reinstalled, defrag, and then went to play. I did not patch the game at this time. Figured I can always patchi it later if this didn't work.

I printed out your building list, MarkDuffy, that's some list!! But it explains alot of why my people weren't happy too. Good listing to get a game started. My only question on your list, is how do you fit all that in!! I had a hard time getting everything placed on my game, but I think I managed it.

I'm attaching my latest game that I'm playing this morning. But right now I really need to get to work! I'm late. :)

Thanks everyone!!

MarkDuffy

04-25-2006, 02:13 PM

I printed out your building list, MarkDuffy, that's some list!! But it explains alot of why my people weren't happy too. Good listing to get a game started. My only question on your list, is how do you fit all that in!! I had a hard time getting everything placed on my game, but I think I managed it.

It is my basic city startup. Before Scribes, Overseers & Commanders. How I spend my initial 4 Educated Workers on NORMAL difficulty.

Most of those early buildings do not require bricks. I am starting with FOOD. Then bricks. Then Priest-required services. :)

COTN ~ FOOD, bricks & prestige. I absolutely LOVE bricks! :D

As you can tell in your save image I posted, your problems were food & bricks! ;)

This line I think has thrown people off: gardener, 3 stone carvers, merchant center, exchange, DOP, 4 granaries, 4 bakeries, court

It is a line to make sure I have built one of everything. Perhaps people interpret it as me saying to build granaries early. It is not. My build order doesn't stress bakeries enough. I will forget to place granaries & this is to prepare me for when I add Scribes. See the followup post in that thread here (http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/showpost.php?p=60879&postcount=17).

After posting my order, I followed it in my very next mission. Found out it was incorrect. There should also be a few more early bakeries instead of later in the Gardener line. And more common shops!

(Vic caught my error!)

:)

MarkDuffy

04-25-2006, 03:53 PM

I just finished looking at your second save, Hobbit-Tut, but first something very funny! I had to rename your first save. Know why? Your first save was an autosave & I had to rename it so it wouldn't get lost with all my own autosaves. Guess what I renamed it to? HINT: I added a 2 to the end of your second save! ;)

My reaction to your new city in Nekhen?

WOOOOOOOOOW !!!

I am sooooo very impressed & proud of you! :) :) :)

One point & and one spilled beans! :D

You are turning your buildings properly & that is what causes problems for new players. Excellent! :)

Building back-to-back (But NEVER three-deep) is the only way to go in COTN to save space. However, brickmakers LOOK like they have two front entrances (One front & also a side touching the front). They do not. You have them on the wrong side that looks like also an entrance (It appears open but it is a small opening). It is not an opening. Early in your mission, they will still work, but eventually bricklayers will get stuck in their courtyards "Deciding what to do". I am posting an image from your save. It shows the Brickmaker's Wife hesitating outside her residence immediately below her. She will get there after a delay.

"Deciding what to do" moments are caused by blocked doors. Still kinda works, but not well. Please avoid it at all times. Every building needs a road or a space in front of its door. Here (http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/showpost.php?p=51259&postcount=18) is an image of correctly built brickmakers.

The spilled beanz is that your people will not cross mountains or even a tiny bump unless you build a road across them. they will go the loooong way around. ;) Your people south of your city would really like you to build a mountain pass. :)

PS ~ Nekhen is a terrible first easy city in the Campaigns, cuz it requires you to spread out your city due to terrain. Next missions will be EASIER after Nekhen. Expect a LOT of yelling & screaming for Worship & Health. I went from yelling & screaming at Nekhen to Son of Ra sandbox (Scenario Section of the game) to learn how to play COTN, cuz MY Nekhen was a total disaster! :mad:

Hobbit-Tut

04-25-2006, 10:22 PM

I just finished looking at your second save, Hobbit-Tut, but first something very funny! I had to rename your first save. Know why? Your first save was an autosave & I had to rename it so it wouldn't get lost with all my own autosaves. Guess what I renamed it to? HINT: I added a 2 to the end of your second save!

That is too funny!! I have a couple of saves now with numbers, just to keep things straight.

My reaction to your new city in Nekhen?

WOOOOOOOOOW !!!

I am sooooo very impressed & proud of you! :)

Why thank you Kind Sir. I sure learned alot working on that one!! And the fact that I have food, food, food, and more food makes me very happy.

One point & and one spilled beans! :D

Thanks for the great tip on the brickmakers, that entrance sure had me fooled, but it sure makes more sense now, no matter how many makers I made, I never had enough bricks! I like bricks too, and now I like food even!

Actually two spilled beans in that picture, and no one picked up on it. I was out of villagers! I didn't realize it till I was waiting for more farms to populate, and they wouldn't. So I started over again, and still have a few villages, so I'm sitting watching it run for a bit till they grow some more villagers.

You are turning your buildings properly & that is what causes problems for new players. Excellent! :)

(snip!)

The spilled beanz is that your people will not cross mountains or even a tiny bump unless you build a road across them. they will go the loooong way around. ;) Your people south of your city would really like you to build a mountain pass. :)

You're right, I built a road in my second incarnation of this one, and they used it, but before that it was like they were an island, all by themselves, and no matter what was on the other side, they wouldn't go there.

PS ~ Nekhen is a terrible first easy city in the Campaigns, cuz it requires you to spread out your city due to terrain. Next missions will be EASIER after Nekhen. Expect a LOT of yelling & screaming for Worship & Health. I went from yelling & screaming at Nekhen to Son of Ra sandbox (Scenario Section of the game) to learn how to play COTN, cuz MY Nekhen was a total disaster! :mad:

I guess they figured that if you can make it in Nekhen, then you can make it anywhere!! :D

I'm glad to know that though cause I'm looking forward to moving on to the next one!!

This is definitely one cool game, now that it's working for me!! Now all I need is another 10 or so hours everyday so I can play. :p

Speaking of which, off I go to see how far I can get before I have to do chores. :)

MarkDuffy

04-26-2006, 04:37 PM

Actually two spilled beans in that picture, and no one picked up on it. I was out of villagers!

Noted, but ignored. ;)

I didn't realize it till I was waiting for more farms to populate, and they wouldn't. So I started over again, and still have a few villages, so I'm sitting watching it run for a bit till they grow some more villagers.

Farmers breed children. VERY important statement. Every family breeds children, but there is a class structure to COTN. Farmers, Servants & Laborers are very low in class & getting their homes populated with no villagers is VERY tough. Higher class children, who are available to populate other homes, will not move down in class to populate these three building types. Initial villagers should always be spent on making farmers. You have lots of farmers & you don't need villagers at all! :eek:

So, as a Lab exercise, I took on your second save. Starting with your image from your second save (year 2378). I did nothing but watch. Year 2372 (6 years later) all your buildings (22 more farmers & 7 more servants) are populated (Image #1). Farmer children did it!

Then I ripped apart your southern farm area. The only thing I did was remake it into X2 back-to-back farmer rows (only deleted farmers & roads), added 3 complete sets of common shops, deleted the garbage vegetation so you could see the images better & add a bunch of granaries cuz the food began to pile up (9 bakeries = 4500 food max & I didn't wanna change the game by adding more bakeries).

[EDIT: If anyone is interested. I placed the new farmers BEFORE I deleted the old ones, serially, so they never went through the villager middle step.]

The last four images are progressive in time. The final image (17 years after your second save) shows where I stopped, cuz one (sometimes two) of your very angry Nobles kept moving out on me & I couldn't get 16 Large Estate Townhomes with max farmers at the same time, unless I changed your city a bit. I have imaged one VERY angry Noble. Your Worship/Health were on constant red alert (sometimes MANY not just Moderate), but got better with more farmers & food. Your southern Shrine is blocked & has never been open.

Remember, this is not your fault. We are at a prestige of ONLY 4 Educated Workers in a city spread out all over the map. We did GOOD! :D

I could have done this faster, but I didn't want to change your game. It would turn into my game & that is not what I wanted to show. What I wanted to show you was how running outta villagers doesn't matter (even with tough-to-get farmers) and how you can really smash buildings into a very small space. :)

Now for what your save taught me!

1) Noble TH evolution is not dependent on imported lux goods. They were always Large Estates with five enhancements & your World Map has never been touched.

2) Max Envoys appears to be dependent on evolution state of the Palace. You have made no Palace upgrades & Envoy number is stuck on 3.

Thank you! :)

Hobbit-Tut

04-28-2006, 11:46 AM

Thanks MarkDuffy! That sure made a difference, those few little changes, and I can see how they work much better. Yes I had a noble problem in that scenario, they just never seemed to be happy. And in fact I have the same problem in the one I'm playing now, I think it's Djedju (or something like that!). I've found out that nobles don't like to be cramped, and they have to have a ton of common goods to keep them happy.

That's a really neat thing about the farmer's children. I didn't realize that and I guess I haven't waited long enough to see. I'll sure have to remember that one so I don't quite the scenario so quickly next time.

I still haven't patched the game, but it's working just fine the way it is, so I think I'll just leave that for some other time. :)

Thanks for all the help!! Off to see if I can destroy the raiders now!! :)

MarkDuffy

04-28-2006, 01:36 PM

I still haven't patched the game, but it's working just fine the way it is, so I think I'll just leave that for some other time. :)

You really need to patch the game immediately! :)

Hobbit-Tut

04-28-2006, 03:44 PM

Hi there, I'm still playing, but figured I'd better upload this too so that you can all have a look. I looked at it and have no idea what all that is, lots of things I recognize, but I hope it makes more sense to you than it did to me!! :)

Gosh, some of these scenarios are hard!! :) And I'm having a blast playing them. Sometime I'm going to have to look at the map editor and scenario maker, to make my own, that's almost as much fun as playing scenarios themselves sometimes.

Thanks everyone!

Hobbit-Tut

04-29-2006, 01:36 AM

Thanks for finally posting your DxDiag. Now my prospective but before I start you will most likely need to patch before you can even play those you create or at least most likely. Same goes if you want to play those others have written.

Hi there, sorry it took me so long, was just having so much fun playing that I didn't want to muck anything up!! :)

Your system does meet the minimums, so there is no problems with that so I'm more inclined to think it's an in-game issue of some kind why you seem to lose the accounting of food.

Me too, I can't see any reason for the system to be causing it. I have no problems with any other games, including Pharaoh and Cleopatra.

Now for some things I see in the file. Your video card does meet the minimums but none to spare. A new video card would be a worthwhile investment. Drivers are a bit old but not bad. The 81.95 if usuable by your card are the newest known to work with the game. Things to keep in mind if you also plan to get C4 as the requirements are not yet known.

I agree it would be a worthwhile investment, but unfortunately, right now, hubby and I are investing in rent and groceries. :) No extra disposable income for a little while (paying off a very expensive open heart surgery).

You also seem to have an external add-on hard drive. Not sure but that could be the problem with the food count if all the drivers and such are not the proper ones. When you do patch, try first time you play after with the drive not attached to make sure. If it wokrs then and not after you hook it up again, that is probably your problem. Only PC-related reason I can see possible why the patch problems. Otherwise has to be something in-game.

Actually, that's an internal extra harddrive, that was disabled until recently. It got hooked back up so I could install the game on it. While I had the game on Drive C: it wasn't working either with the extra harddrive disconnected, so I don't think that's it. I hooked up the extra hard drive just for this game, so that I didn't have to defrag every time I wanted to play. :)

My thoughts, observations, and opinions anyway. ;) :D

And good ones they are!! :) I really hesitate to patch right now while everything is working. But I suppose I'm going to have to do it eventually! Probably going to finish this scenario (Djedu? I think) before I do patch it though, just in case I can't play once I patch it.

Thanks for your help!! Let me know what else I should do to help solve this potential difficulty!! I really hesitate to touch anything right now, cause I can play the game!! :)

Manni

04-29-2006, 03:44 AM

Let me know what else I should do to help solve this potential difficulty!! I really hesitate to touch anything right now, cause I can play the game!! :)

So far you have gained some good results, congratulations!

I agree to what Phil says above!

What I see in your dxdiag-file is:
you have a physical memory of 512MB RAM stuck inside (a little short but just about enough for XPSP2)
Your Page File is set to: 387MB used, 862MB available which I would change into minimum=1100MB
maximum=1100MB

this alternation is likely to improve your performance.
IF you DO change don`t forget to defrag C after rebooting!

Graph and sounddrivers are a bit old. The game runs with the "old" graph-driver but I`d recommend to freshen up the sound-driver (wouldn`t do any harm really)

Should any graph-problems appear in the future you can still change to a newer one.

Regards

Hobbit-Tut

05-02-2006, 08:00 PM

So far so good with graphics, no problems at all. But I guess I'm reinstalling again. Was very busy the last few days, and so didn't get to play at all. Went to play today and it's broken again. But at least I know that reinstalling and starting over fixes it for a while.

Hobbit-Tut

05-03-2006, 12:53 AM

As Mark would say, I just had a "lightbulb moment" :o !!!

I'm surprised I'm the first to think of this as well. Before reinstalling, do you have a virus and/or firewall program running and/or active during installation? That can cause some havoc but not a guarantee. If you do, disable any and all when installing. That might do it!!! You may also have to disable while playing as well.

Also what programs do you have running in the background? If you don't know will advise how to check upon your reply. If you have too many that too can cause any number of problems.

Also be nice to know what programs you have on this system. If you have something like Dameon Tools or similar, that needs to go (like yesterday) as it works in direct conflict with the game AND patch. Just a guess, but either all or any combination of those three options do apply.
Sincerely,
Phil

Hi there, well uh, yes, I do have a firewall, and I have a virus program, and many many other programs running. You see I run my own ftp site, my own mail site, and my own website server here on my desktop machine. I also run my own transcription business here on this machine, so I have all of the above and probably many many more things running that I'm not aware of.

I've never heard of Dameon Tools, but that doesn't mean I don't have something similar running on here. :)

I have no idea how to give you a list of what's running though. If you can explain then I'd be happy to have a look.

I haven't uninstalled or reinstalled yet, although I'd like to, I haven't had time today, sigh. :)
Thanks!

Hobbit-Tut

05-03-2006, 01:52 AM

How to find out what you have running in the background.

Click Start.
Scroll up to and click Run.
When small window appaars, in the box type "msconfig" (without the quotes).
When program loads, click on Startup tab.
All things with checks in the boxes are what you have running in the background. A list of those checked with the location (2nd column) would help as then you could be advised as to what is needed and not.
Sincerely,
Phil

Here you go:

Program: Location:
soundman soundman.exe
jusched C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_06\bin\jusched.exe
SAcc C:\Program Files\surfaccuracy\SAcc.exe
zlclient c:\program files\zone labs\zonealarm\zlclient.exe
ypager c:\program files\Yahoo!\Messenger\ypager.exe -quiet
ctfmon c:\windows\system32\ctfmon.exe
g6ftptray c:\program files\gene6 ftp server\g6ftptray.exe
Chaos Manager loader c:\program files\chaosmanager\cm2.exe
easygen updater c:\documents and settings...
http c:\documents and settings...

the Chaos manager, is my calendar, contacts program.
the g6ftp is my ftp server.
easygen updated is my php/asp programmer.
and http is my webserver.

hope this helps.

Keith

05-03-2006, 02:23 AM

Hobbit-Tut, you might want to try reinstalling the game then making a XP restore point. Next time it breaks try restoring your system and see if that fixes the problem for you. You can always UNDO the last restore point.

Making a restore point is easy, it's in the Start>All Programs>Accessories>System Tools menu. Use the Create funciton, give it a name and let it save. Then if you have to restore to it, go back to that menu and next time use the Restore function, select the save file you made and reboot the system when its done. Then try the game. If that doesn't make a difference you can go back to the restore menu and select the UNDO function.

Pamela Virtual Cable 1 is a system I am not familiar with. I see that they say they have problems with some bugs in the drivers. You might want to check out their support board (http://www.pamela-systems.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=562).

You may also want to try disabling the Pamela Virtual Cable 1 system as your sound drivers and reassign the Realtek system as your default sound system and see if that might help. You can always switch back. You do this from the Control Panel>Sounds, Speech, and Audio Devices>Sounds and Audio Devices>Audio tab. Reset the default playback device to the Realtek. Then do the same under the Voice tab. Click apply and ok.

These are things to try just to see if they make a difference.

Manni

05-03-2006, 04:08 AM

Hello Hobbit-Tut,

Program: Location:

soundman soundman.exe OK, leave it there

jusched C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_06\bin\jusched.exeOK, when you use it always

SAcc C:\Program Files\surfaccuracy\SAcc.exe Trojan!

zlclient c:\program files\zone labs\zonealarm\zlclient.exe OK, leave it there

ypager c:\program files\Yahoo!\Messenger\ypager.exe -quiet OK, leave it there in case you use it

ctfmon c:\windows\system32\ctfmon.exe switch off, word-programm, runs also without being loaded

g6ftptray c:\program files\gene6 ftp server\g6ftptray.exe OK

Chaos Manager loader c:\program files\chaosmanager\cm2.exe OK

easygen updater c:\documents and settings...OK

http c:\documents and settings...OK

the Chaos manager, is my calendar, contacts program.
the g6ftp is my ftp server.
easygen updated is my php/asp programmer.
and http is my webserver.
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SAcc C:\Program Files\surfaccuracy\SAcc.exe Trojan!

Try to find the whole thing in C\Program Files and delete it there if possible
Do also look into SOFTWARE if there is anything "strange" installed!

To get rid of more possible hijackers please use the program "HiJackThis".

It does a complete search and you can get the diagnostics at their page.

Get the program from here: http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/

and the diagnostic of your logfile you can do here:

http://www.hijackthis.de/en

I use their service at least once a month.

Regards