One of the greatest things...

[Elvenwarrior2001]

...about this forum, is that people from the Tilted Mill team actually post here. And that we get to interact with people we've known of for years, as part of the Impressions teams. I'm glad to see this isn't one of those forums where the developers never even take a peek at it. I'm trully grateful to you guys at Tilted Mill! Thanx, guys!

Elven

[Celebithil Dae]

I'll agree, its great to be able to talk witht he folks doing the work. It make you feel like your really wanted, needed, or something along those lines... You get the point i hope, if not... yeah.

What he said

[Elvenwarrior2001]

It seems like they actually listen to the fans. And know they're there. It's just a great experience to be able to talk about the game with the developers, and ask them questions which no one else can answer. :)

Elven

[BalkothsBane]

As yoda said so beautifully...

"I agree"

Andrugan Theollis

[Jayhawk]

One of the greatest things about this forum, is that people from the Tilted Mill team actually post here.

Well, it's taking into account this is the Tilted Mill forum, I'd say it would be somewhat rude of them not to post here ;)

[Tony Leier]

We're all very interested in talking to you all. We've gotten great feedback and discussions in the past, and are looking forward to it over the next months.

Though, it might be slow for a couple of weeks, as we're preparing for E3 and then going to be at E3 for most of next week.

If you haven't see it, Jeff Fiske wrote up a nice article about looking around E3 last year:
http://www.tiltedmill.com/articles.htm
Hopefully he'll have a chance to report on E3 2004 too.

[klingon9]

I personally look forward to hearing what you have to say about E3.

I hope the first thing you do when you get back is tell us all about it.

[Elvenwarrior2001]

Well, it's taking into account this is the Tilted Mill forum, I'd say it would be somewhat rude of them not to post here ;)

Um...have you seen some of the other game forums put up at the official sites? Not a single post by the developers. It's not like it's the most common thing in the world for developers to talk to the fans. Many, many, companies totally ignore them. The number of copies a game sells is all they seem to listen to.

Elven

[Celebithil Dae]

Well, the LOTR3 forums had the devs checkin in ofter, and thats the only other game forums i ionhabited while it was in development and stuff. Anyways, good luck with E3 and whatever you all are doing there.

Dont forget to write about it!

[Elvenwarrior2001]

Well, the LOTR3 forums had the devs checkin in ofter, and thats the only other game forums i ionhabited while it was in development and stuff. Anyways, good luck with E3 and whatever you all are doing there.

Dont forget to write about it!

Wow. I wasn't aware of the LOTR3 stuff. I didn't stop in there much, because I had my doubts about how Imps was working since the company was breaking apart.

Elven

[Jayhawk]

Um...have you seen some of the other game forums put up at the official sites? Not a single post by the developers. It's not like it's the most common thing in the world for developers to talk to the fans. Many, many, companies totally ignore them. The number of copies a game sells is all they seem to listen to.

Elven

I guess we've been lucky over at City Builder Heaven then, Elven. We've had the devs drop in there for as long as I can remember.

[Eddy]

I've seen some of the other sites and they are a waste of time. They not only aren't visited by the staff and developers, but they aren't even moderated. I was and still am a member of Cafe Tropico which was a Carribbean city builder set during the cold war and was a very active poster. I actually have the top number of posts and was a global moderator. Sadly some political bickering occurred and the board isn't what it used to be, but the game designers checked in. I myself helped beta test the Tropico Expansion pack. Having the actual developers read user input can significantly affect the development of a game. My sincere hope is that I can make a positive impact on Children of the Nile.

[Celebithil Dae]

that is my hope also :)

[Keith]

I've seen some of the other sites and they are a waste of time. They not only aren't visited by the staff and developers, but they aren't even moderated. I was and still am a member of Cafe Tropico which was a Carribbean city builder set during the cold war and was a very active poster. I actually have the top number of posts and was a global moderator. Sadly some political bickering occurred and the board isn't what it used to be, but the game designers checked in. I myself helped beta test the Tropico Expansion pack. Having the actual developers read user input can significantly affect the development of a game. My sincere hope is that I can make a positive impact on Children of the Nile.
The "Millers" (just doesn't have the same ring as "Imps" does it :D ) have always been good about visiting their forums for their old Impressions' games and continue that practice here.

Not sure how much we can influence the game design at this point. They've been working on the code for quiet some time alreadly and any changes we suggest that might get considered will probably be just minor ones.

It's fun to speculate and discuss them though.
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[Jayhawk]

The "Millers" (just doesn't have the same ring as "Imps" does it :D ) have always been good about visiting their forums for their old Impressions' games and continue that practice here.
You could call them TiMs ;)

But I agree, most of the devs here that I'm familiar with from the other CB games tend to listen to suggestions made by their fans.
Must be why their games are so appreciated.

[Afterburner]

You could call them TiMs ;)

Tilters?
Milts?
Mill Tilters?
Dons? (From Don Quixote, who tilted at windmills)
Quixotes? (Pronounced "key-ho-tays" for those of you who weren't sure)

[Keith]

Tilters?
Milts?
Mill Tilters?
Dons? (From Don Quixote, who tilted at windmills)
Quixotes? (Pronounced "key-ho-tays" for those of you who weren't sure)Yeah, but none of them really "sings". Do they?
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[Afterburner]

Yeah, but none of them really "sings". Do they?

No, I agree. They all lack a certain je ne sais quois.

But, y'know, Impressions is no longer around.

Which means we could still call them "Imps" and nobody could say "Hey, that's us here at Impressions!"

:D

[Keith]

No, I agree. They all lack a certain je ne sais quois.

But, y'know, Impressions is no longer around.

Which means we could still call them "Imps" and nobody could say "Hey, that's us here at Impressions!"

:D
But then not all the staff at Tilted Mill are ex-Imps.

What a quandry. What catchy knickname should the they be dubbed with?

Millies?

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[Ineti]

If a label is required, how about "Millers?"

[EmperorJay]

Or Timmies? (Tilted Mill Entertainment)

[Keith]

If a label is required, how about "Millers?"
I mentioned that one above, but it too doesn't really "sing".
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[Ineti]

I mentioned that one above, but it too doesn't really "sing".


Ah, so you did. I missed it in the skim.

We could just call them "great designers." :D

[Afterburner]

Or Timmies? (Tilted Mill Entertainment)

Makes me think of Lassie.

*BARK BARK*
"What's that, boy?"
*BARK BARK*
"Ken Parker has fallen into the well?"
*BARK BARK*
"Well let's go!"

[Jayhawk]

I'll go with Afterburns suggestion of The Dons.
No, I don't want a horseshead in my bed...

[Ken Parker]

LOL Afterburner.

[GillB]

Dons = bad sold-out football team in the UK

[Merepatra]

From those suggested so far I would go with Millers, the more obscure suggestions like Doms would I'm sure have newcomers asking "who?" on a regular basis.

We could try asking the Tilted Mill staff what they want to be known as .... but they may answer Gods ;)

[Jayhawk]

We could try asking the Tilted Mill staff what they want to be known as .... but they may answer Gods ;)
You know, Mere, that might actually work ;)

[Elvenwarrior2001]

Um...why not just TM? Or TME? :confused: It makes more sense. ;)

Elven

[Pecunia]

Um...why not just TM? Or TME? :confused: It makes more sense. ;)
It may make more sense, but you can't even pronounce that properly, so it doesn't "sing" either ;)

[Elvenwarrior2001]

Um...well most of the time we're typing it anyway. So it would seem to work. And when speaking it...why not just call it what I call it? Tilted Mill...otherwise you'll just confuse people. ;) You don't have to be able to pronounce something you only type. ;)

Elven

[Keith]

Um...well most of the time we're typing it anyway. So it would seem to work. And when speaking it...why not just call it what I call it? Tilted Mill...otherwise you'll just confuse people. ;) You don't have to be able to pronounce something you only type. ;)

Elven
What would be the fun in that? ;)

The guys were "the Imps" at Impressions, it's only fitting they get dubbed with a new knickname.
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[Jayhawk]

It may make more sense, but you can't even pronounce that properly, so it doesn't "sing" either ;)

TME...
Definitely pronounced Timmy.

[Pecunia]

TME...
Definitely pronounced Timmy.
It might just be me, but 'Timmy' makes me think of children's books ;)

[Atlantean Relic]

How about rumpletiltskins ;)

Tillers?

[Elvenwarrior2001]

How about...we take our time on this one. I don't want a real sick nicname. lol. Let's ask the TM guys! ;) I'd like to hear what they think. That'd be kewl. ;)

Elven

[Zenethor]

We could just call them the yellow guys, except that they aren't exactly yellow anymore, so how about the guys who say ikki ikki fa-tang zoom boing?

[Kempo Joe]

I've seen some of the other sites and they are a waste of time. They not only aren't visited by the staff and developers, but they aren't even moderated. I was and still am a member of Cafe Tropico which was a Carribbean city builder set during the cold war and was a very active poster. I actually have the top number of posts and was a global moderator. Sadly some political bickering occurred and the board isn't what it used to be, but the game designers checked in. I myself helped beta test the Tropico Expansion pack. Having the actual developers read user input can significantly affect the development of a game. My sincere hope is that I can make a positive impact on Children of the Nile.

I agree with Eddy on this.

I actually know him from The Cafe, and now Los Soldatos (http://jorgepina.proboards13.com/) ,I also hope to make a positive impact on COTN, and I hope that it turns out to be a great game.

[Miut]

The Entertainers? ;) Or...much more appropriatly, The Medjai.. No, they aren't just a movie name from The Mummy, read this excerpt, then follow the Link to learn more about them. :D

In the New Kingdom times, "In times of peace the Medjai served as police, as bodyguards of the Pharaoh but also as soldiers. The police was independent from the army. A lot of buildings were identified as Medjai-quarters. The Medjai also lived at Deir el Medina, the village of the workers for the valley of the kings, and guarded the valley of the kings - just because of robbers."
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http://www.ardeth-bay.de/infos/e-infom.html

" Information on the "Medjai"
The Medjai lived in the eastern desert of Nubia - between the first and the second Nile-cataract.

Presumably in 4000 before Christi (BC) they came from Asia via Arabia to Africa, lived outside the Nile-valley, but were in contact with the local Egypts.
Between 4000 - 3200 BC: they became pastoral nomads.
2700 - 1200: The Medjai were a tribal community, but split: one part was pastoral, the other served as soldiers in the Egyptian army.

Middle Kingdom (2040 - 1640)

The relation between the Medjai and the Egyptians becames worse because the Medjai-soldiers didn't any longer want to fight for the Egyptians. So Amenhetep I (1994 - 1964) could claim that he has captured the Medjai. Nevertheless, his assertation refers only to the pastoral Medjai who on their part could only have been enslaved for a short time, because their were handed-down as independent people, just after the conquest of Lower Nubia in 1950.
The enmity between to Egyptians and the pastoral Medjai continued: The Egypts built fortresses in the area claimed by the Medjai for controlling them - if famine-stricken they were not allowed to settle at the rich Nile-valley. However, the Egyptians profited from the knowledge of the pastoral Medjai who were fond of cattle-breeding.

Second Intermediate Period (1640 - 1532)

The Medjai fought again for the Egyptians but non as mercenary troops but as allies - as the only non-Egyptians who helped the Egyptians. Pharaoh Kamose let them fight from the beginning against the Hyksos - side by side with himself.

New Kingdom (1550 - 1070 BC)

The Medjai served yet as soldiers, but also as guardians and leaders in the mines in Nubia. Mining was only possible with their help. They formed the biggest mercenary troop - because of recruitments under Amenhetep III (1388 - 1248 BC). In times of peace the Medjai served as police, as bodyguards of the Pharaoh but also as soldiers. The police was independent from the army. A lot of buildings were identified as Medjai-quarters. The Medjai also lived at Deir el Medina, the village of the workers for the valley of the kings, and guarded the valley of the kings - just because of robbers.
Besides, the pastoral Medjai were not mentioned after 1500 BC - so eventually their went to the South or were absorbed fully with the Egyptians or remained in the eastern desert.

Some "prominent" Medjai

Dedu: Leader of the troops under Tutmosis III (1479 - 1424 BC)
Mahu: Leader of the police troop in Amarna
Nebamun: commander of the Medjai under Tutmosis IV (1398 - 1388 BC) and Amenhetep III. His name is interesting because of the suffix -amun: It shows the adaptation of the Egyptian culture within the Medjai one.
Humay: built temples for Horus and Sesostris III, in that potsherds of vessels of the Medjai-culture remained. There are also pictures of Medjai in this temples who worshipped the Egyptian gods (blending of their own with the Egyptian culture).

Medjai AD

Medjai were warriors until no less than 700 AD when they fought against the Persians."
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This is only the highlghts from the site.

Tilted Mill are certainly the protectors - and creators of Pharaoh - and of Children of the Nile, so I think the nickname Medjai is in character, appropriate, and suits them. ;)

And if not for their nickname as a group, then how about it as one of the Titles for Mods etc, instead of Angels, Seraphs,and Cherubs?
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[Elvenwarrior2001]

Maybe they can change the color of their SNs and we can call them the "yellow guys" (or some other color) again. ;) That'd be great. What great memories from the Old Imps Forums. (LoM) I remember Itchy and Reed well. Hehe.

Elven

[Keith]

Maybe they can change the color of their SNs and we can call them the "yellow guys" (or some other color) again. ;) That'd be great. What great memories from the Old Imps Forums. (LoM) I remember Itchy and Reed well. Hehe.

ElvenHaving been a denizen of the old Imps board, I don't ever recall them being called the "yellow guys". Aber keine sorge, machts nichts.
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[Elvenwarrior2001]

At the Old Imps board the Mods' SNs were printed in yellow, differentiating them from the regular fans. They got to be known as a group as "The yellow guys." Not derogatory btw. Affectionately. :)

Elven

[Keith]

At the Old Imps board the Mods' SNs were printed in yellow, differentiating them from the regular fans. They got to be known as a group as "The yellow guys." Not derogatory btw. Affectionately. :)

ElvenFunny, I seem to remember them as being listed in blue. I only recall them be referred to as the Imps or "the guys in blue."
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[Merepatra]

Actually I thought they were red at the "old" Impressions forums and then gold at the "new" Impressions forum.... of course at our age the memory starts going Keith ;) I'm sure I remember them occasionally being referred to as the red guys, but usually we did just call them Imps.

[Keith]

Actually I thought they were red at the "old" Impressions forums and then gold at the "new" Impressions forum.... of course at our age the memory starts going Keith ;) I'm sure I remember them occasionally being referred to as the red guys, but usually we did just call them Imps.
Reed could tell us. He's in charge of these boards too. I guess it depends on which Imps board you remember, Caesar III or Pharaoh.
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[Elvenwarrior2001]

Why do people keep forgetting Lords of Magic? They were yellow coloured at the Eight Faiths Inn.

elven

[Keith]

Why do people keep forgetting Lords of Magic? They were yellow coloured at the Eight Faiths Inn.

elven
Because it's not a citybuilder. Apples and oranges. And many of us probably never visted that board. Magic and "fantasy D&D" type games don't don't appeal to me.
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[EmperorJay]

Weren't they yellow at the Zeus boards as well? I'm sure they were red at C3 though.

[Pecunia]

Weren't they yellow at the Zeus boards as well? I'm sure they were red at C3 though.
To remove all doubt: let me dig those old forum posts up ... I have saved them all for the c3, pharaoh, zeus and emperor forums before they were taken offline.
Caesar 3 (http://www.cs.vu.nl/~bvschaik/misc/imps_c3.png) - red
Pharaoh (http://www.cs.vu.nl/~bvschaik/misc/imps_pharaoh.png) - red
Zeus (http://www.cs.vu.nl/~bvschaik/misc/imps_zeus.png) - gold
Emperor (http://www.cs.vu.nl/~bvschaik/misc/imps_emperor.png) - red

[Keith]

Ah there you go. Wonder why I distinctly remember lbue. Oh, well.;)
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[Pecunia]

Wonder why I distinctly remember lbue. Oh, well.;)
Maybe because the VIPs at HeavenGames are blue?

[Keith]

Maybe because the VIPs at HeavenGames are blue?
No, I know that is not it. I rarely post on, let alone visit, the HG boards. Last time I was there was about 2 months ago posting a note about the official webpages for Zeus, Pharaoh/Cleopatra, and Caesar III being taken down. Before that, it was in regards to the Emperor patch being available.

I think I may be recalling the old original Sierra boards before they went to WebX and before Sierra was bought up by VU. Devs are still blue on the VU/Sierra boards.

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Because it's not a citybuilder. Apples and oranges. And many of us probably never visted that board. Magic and "fantasy D&D" type games don't don't appeal to me.
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I still think remember Lords of Magic is worth doing. This is the same company that made it. Just because their first game is a city-builder does not mean that's all they're going to do.

Elven

[Keith]

I still think remember Lords of Magic is worth doing. This is the same company that made it. Just because their first game is a city-builder does not mean that's all they're going to do.

ElvenNot what I meant....

You asked why it was never remembered. I meant that it wasn't a citybuilder and many of us have never heard of/played it. I wasn't commenting on "worthiness."
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[Elvenwarrior2001]

Well...it's worth checking out. There's nothing like it. And if you like Imps/TM then you might like this game. You can get it for like a dollar or two on Ebay these days, so it's not like you'll even be spending much more then it costs to buy a soft drink. ;)

And also...many of the people who have crossed over here, are Lords of Magic enthusiasts. And TM's reincarnation of Imps has attracted them, like myself. Since most of us also liked their CB games, we also are intersting in CotN.

Elven

[Zenethor]

Heh. Remember when everyone BUT the yellow guys was yellow? That was way back in the third Inn, if I remember correctly...

[Jayhawk]

I only recall them be referred to as the Imps or "the guys in blue."
Even if you didn't visit Heavengames frequently, many of the other regulars did, so maybe that's still where it came from. ;)

[Keith]

Even if you didn't visit Heavengames frequently, many of the other regulars did, so maybe that's still where it came from. ;)
Ah, but if I didn't visit Heavengames, I wouldn't know they were called "the blue guys". I am sure it must have come from the old Sierra boards, when the Imps would drop in there on occasion. I only frequented the Imps board and the Sierra boards back then. So for me, it came from there. :)
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[Celebithil Dae]

They could be the Millers... sorry if that was said already.

[Jayhawk]

Ah, but if I didn't visit Heavengames, I wouldn't know they were called "the blue guys".
You would if the HG terminology was carried over to the Imp/Sierra boards ;)
And as I think you said, you were unsure why they were called blue guys...

However, I feel we're drifting somewhat off topic here.
Let's just see what the Tilted Mill staff end up being called and take it from there :cool:

[Bradius]

How about calling them just the Don Quixotians!

[Elvenwarrior2001]

Crikey, that'd be a kick! lol.

Elven

[Celebithil Dae]

The Quixotians! Drop the don... unless you wanna call them the dons...

[Elvenwarrior2001]

Oh geez. *chuckles* We're going to have a lot of misspellings. ;)

Elven

[Ammurit]

The Quixotians! Drop the don... unless you wanna call them the dons...

I agree. Drop the Don lest they become the "Donkey Hotians". Sorry, I just had to throw a lame joke in there, I just had to... :)

[vovan]

Oh geez. *chuckles* We're going to have a lot of misspellings.

Judging by the history of the citybuidlers, I would say that would have been the case even without such a complicated name. :) I mean, look at how people normally refer to the games of the citybuilder series:

Ceasar,
Pharoah,
Zues,
Emporer

I wonder how people are going to screw up CotN. :) (That not to mention the Quixotians. ;))

[Atlantean Relic]

Key old tea ands

[Eddy]

Cotton? K(ids)otN? COD (Children of Denial)? That new Egyptian game.

[Elvenwarrior2001]

Please...no more misspellings!!! I'm a perfectionist...can't. Stand. Imperfection. And no...my room isn't chaos, it's just organized in a messy manner. ;) :D

Elven

[Jayhawk]

I wonder how people are going to screw up CotN.
Simple.
Children of the Neil. ;)

Which is probably why we now have a city builder with a working acronym...

[Lannes]

I wonder how people are going to screw up CotN. :)

I'm already having some difficulty with the abbreviation. Paradox already has one out called "Crown of the North".

Lannes

[Elvenwarrior2001]

I smell unintentional corruption of the English language in the air. :eek:

Elven

[Lannes]

The Quixotians! Drop the don... unless you wanna call them the dons...

Alternatively, drop "xotians" and end up with DonQuis ;)

Lannes

[vovan]

Alternatively, drop "xotians" and end up with DonQuis

* snort *

PS: Ahhh, the forum is picking on me. :( First it complained I had too many smileys, now it says my message is too short. :(

[Elvenwarrior2001]

The problems is probably the opposite. Too few smilies, to long posts. ;) lol. What I mean to say is...I've had no problem with your post. Of course...I tend to use a lot of smilies...and post short posts. So maybe we're just two of a kind. ;) When I post long posts I usually am told off for "over doing it," like I'm being mean by making too leagthy a point. Just post, mate. Some are so long I skim. Short ones are great with me. ;) And smilies...no one can be too happy...:D

Elven

[vovan]

Some are so long I skim.

Hehe, I know, I don't much like very long posts either. ;) I sometimes skim over them, too. Then, I reply to one of them, and look stupid, as it turns out my reply was gone over somewhere in the seventh paragraph of the post. ;)

[Elvenwarrior2001]

Hehe. I usually just don't post in reply to long threads...I reply to the replies. ;) Less of a chance of looking stupid. lol.

Elven

[EmperorJay]

I usually read long posts because they tend to be well argumented but I'm too lazy to make long posts ;) .

[Elvenwarrior2001]

Hehe. I've had enough arguments lately as it is at one of the forums I frequent. This guy can't take a hint. bleh. But that's off topic.

Really I only read long posts if I have a particular interest in it. Most have been about Egyptian history. That doesn't reall peek my interst. ;)

Elven